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Post by bbc7 on Jul 18, 2013 23:43:25 GMT -8
I hate to be "that guy," but Jaworski is making a top 32 list, and I just can't sit silent anymore.
Here are my top 10 quarterbacks, please list yours. I am also more than willing to defend any ranking on my list, so feel free to call me on it.
10. Andy Dalton 9. Matt Schaub 8. Joe Flacco 7. Eli Manning 6. Matt Ryan 5. Ben Roethlisberger 4. Drew Brees 3. Peyton Manning 2. Aaron Rodgers 1. Tom Brady
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Post by Admin on Jul 19, 2013 0:24:54 GMT -8
Andy Dalton, top 10? I also noticed your list favors pockets QBs. (edit: I guess mine does as well, aside from my controversial pick)
If Brady throws 30 TDs this year with that crap receiving corp, then he has every right to that #1 spot. Until then ...
My list is on how I perceive them NOW. Basically how they are coming into this year, not in the distant future, and not based on distant history.
1) Rodgers 2) Peyton 3) Brady 4) Brees 5) Eli 6) Roethlisberger 7) Russell Wilson (I'm sure I'll get heat for this one) 8) Ryan 9) Flacco 10) Romo
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Post by bbc7 on Jul 20, 2013 19:29:00 GMT -8
Andy Dalton, top 10? I also noticed your list favors pockets QBs. (edit: I guess mine does as well, aside from my controversial pick) Yeah, I went back and forth on that tenth spot. I remember this time last year, I had Matt Stafford in that spot which is why I don't think I favor pocket passers as much as I favor older guys. I hate putting the young guys into these lists, because you get results like the ones you saw from Stafford after one good season. If I don't have to defend this list next season, then I probably put either RGIII or Luck into that 10 spot, but I thought Dalton was the safer pick, and a guy who deserves some credit after two solid years. Other than the rookies, I'm not sure who else I could have included. Romo, Rivers, and Cutler would probably be most people's next picks, but I am sick of hearing those guys names tossed around in these lists because they've had so much time to solidify themselves as elites and have never been able to do it. So, I went with Dalton. Five AFC titles, 3 Super Bowl titles, and the most touchdowns ever thrown in a single season isn't enough? You know, other than their Super Bowl runs, Peyton and Rodgers are a combined 6-14 in the playoffs (5-11 and 1-3 respectively). But what shocks me the most is how many people still place Eli Manning ahead of Roethlisberger. People call last season a "down year" for Ben, but he threw 26 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. Eli's ratio? 26:15. Ben's career passer rating is 10 points higher than Eli's, and I've never seen anything from Eli to make me believe that he is the superior quarterback, other than his uncanny ability to beat Tom Brady.
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Post by Admin on Jul 20, 2013 21:35:33 GMT -8
Five AFC titles, 3 Super Bowl titles, and the most touchdowns ever thrown in a single season isn't enough? You know, other than their Super Bowl runs, Peyton and Rodgers are a combined 6-14 in the playoffs (5-11 and 1-3 respectively). Is this a resume ranking or best current QB ranking? I'm well aware of what Brady has accomplished, but I'm basing my list on who I'd want to QB my team this upcoming year, not 10 years ago. Brady's last Superbowl win was 8 years ago and his record breaking TD passing year was 5 years ago. Those accomplishments, while great, become less relevant to a current QB ranking as each year passes. If you're asking me who has had the best career, then that's a whole different thing Again, I put more weight on what has happened recently, not stuff from over 5 years ago. Ben was by far the better QB early in their careers, and as a result, the aggregate career stats will reflect that difference. However, in recent years, Eli has closed that gap, and they are very close. You could make an argument for either guy RIGHT NOW. The tie breaker to me is that I can count on Eli being under center every game, something Ben has been iffy with in recent years.
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Post by socaleagle on Jul 23, 2013 10:58:09 GMT -8
Probably the thing that I find the most interesting about this discussion right now is the timing. Take a step back for a second and look at the transition period we are in. This time period right now is likely the first in which we have legitimate opportunity for discussing the potential downgrade of the guys we've regularly considered "elite." Brady, Peyton, and Brees have all left far more rubber on the road than they have remaining on their tires. The end is near for these guys, and increasingly the results are less than stellar. With so much young talent behind them on these lists it seems like if some body wanted to be as bold as to discuss some names possibly overtaking these guys, this is the time to begin that discussion.
Most people already like to throw Aaron Rodgers in the mix as one of these elite, either on par with or ranked higher than Brady, Brees and Peyton. If Superbowls have anything to do with it then clearly it's hard for anyone to leap frog Brady; a rule which appears to hold true on BBC's list. If, however, this is about who has the most ability to potentially win a Superbowl this season and beyond, then that age discussion has to enter the equation and be accounted for and the past Superbowl success or failure is considerably less relevant. Maybe some of these guys who have traditionally followed the top 3 now move up in the eyes of some. Maybe Rodgers becomes the clear cut #1 while the Roethlisbergers and Eli Mannings of the world get a nod or two over these traditionally more revered but not necessarily more successful QB's. Afterall both Big Ben and Eli have more individual Superbowl victories than Peyton and Brees. If the ability to produce impressive statistics embodies the difference in ranking that has kept Peyton and Brees above Ben and Eli, then when does the age factor begin to offset that? I argue that time may be today.
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Post by Blackmallard on Jul 27, 2013 3:06:58 GMT -8
I didn't realize this was up.
I think bb7's list is sensible, but maybe too results oriented for my taste. It's certainly ten of the most consistently successful qb's. I also think 10 might be taking these lists too far, especially this year if you're basically restricting it to two year starters and beyond.
I don't like Dalton on the list. He hasn't matched the accomplishments of players like Rivers and Romo and he's not going to hold off the 'gang of four'. I'd rather see Romo or Gallery on the list than Dalton.
It's interesting too see how fast Rivers is being left for dead now that his team is falling apart. I was never a big proponent of him anyway.
Romo belongs in the top 10, and I can see why you are having trouble pegging which of Wilson, Kap, Luck, and Gallery will be good for sure, but I'd include one of them over Schaub as well.
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Post by BLackmallard on Jul 27, 2013 3:14:46 GMT -8
When is the last time there were seven starting QB's with titles at the same time?
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Post by bbc7 on Jul 31, 2013 10:08:08 GMT -8
When is the last time there were seven starting QB's with titles at the same time? I'm not sure about this one, but I can't imagine it was that long ago. There really hasn't been much parity in the NFL lately, especially if you look at the AFC. Since 2000, only once has a team other than the Patriots (5), Steelers (3), Colts (2), and Ravens (2) won the conference. That's 13 years with essentially only four teams from one conference in the Super Bowl, I have to imagine there was a time where more teams had a chance to win a Super Bowl, but I suppose there have been dynasties in every decade. I wish I had the time/resources to answer this question.
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Post by Sascha on Aug 15, 2013 20:32:51 GMT -8
Just a quickie, top of my head.
1- Peyton Manning 2- Tom Brady 3- Aaron Rodgers 4- Ben Roethlisberger (still a huge fan of his game) 5- Robert Griffen III - might as well rank him here before his health gets the best of him) 6- Drew Brees 7- Colin Kaepernick 8- Matt Stafford 9- Andrew Luck 10- Tony Romo
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Post by bbc7 on Aug 16, 2013 11:27:15 GMT -8
Wow, hopefully it was just because it was coming off the top of your head, but I really can't think of any plausible reason to have Matt Stafford above Matt Ryan. I'm not sure how a guy like Tony Romo makes it above Eli or Flacco, but I know you like to get creative with these lists. I just don't see any possible way to defend leaving Matt Ryan off this list.
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Post by blackmallard on Sept 15, 2013 8:21:51 GMT -8
I was really impressed with Kapernick and Luck in week one. I don't feel like the Colts are "there" yet still, but Luck played well.
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Post by whodey on Sept 30, 2013 13:37:57 GMT -8
I wouldn't put in the Dalton in the top 10. He's had one decent week so far this season and he was awful yesterday against the Browns. I was expecting bigger things out of him this season, so far it seems like he is regressing rather than improving.
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Post by bbc7 on Sept 30, 2013 20:59:50 GMT -8
I wouldn't put in the Dalton in the top 10. He's had one decent week so far this season and he was awful yesterday against the Browns. I was expecting bigger things out of him this season, so far it seems like he is regressing rather than improving. I'm in the same boat, expected him to grow this year with what actually seems to be an improved team around him, from what I can tell. I was actually thinking about how I listed him in my Top 10 when I saw his stat line in the loss, and hoped everyone had forgotten. It's a long season though, he still has time to improve, but he hasn't shown much so far.
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Post by blackmallard on Oct 3, 2013 11:57:14 GMT -8
Rivers clearly deserved to be more strongly considered, he's having another fantastic stretch and has never been bad. Dalton I still can't visualize being good. Flacco and Eli have been complete garbage. RG3, Brady, Roethlisberger, and Vick are all off to rough starts but they haven't been unrecognizeable like Flacco/Manning. The rest of the QB's mentioned are within the margin of what I would expect them to do.
Stafford/Dalton never really belonged in a top X list, although when you get to ten its 1/3rd of the starters so I can sort of see how they slipped in.
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Post by vanesabilal on Oct 28, 2013 22:31:38 GMT -8
yeah but i do think that Dalton deserves to be under top 13
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